191. How can CRIMINALS tell the TRUTH?

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Thursday, September 19, 2013

Sabah RCI: Anwar says Dr M well aware of Project IC

KOTA KINABALU: Former Malaysian deputy prime minister, Anwar Ibrahim, told the Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) here that throughout his term in the federal government from 1982 to 1998, he had been kept in the dark over two issues — the billions of ringgits flowing out and issues of home security.

“On the billions of ringgits only Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad and Tun Daim Zainuddin knew, while on issues of Home Affairs, I was only involved on the problem of housing for the police force which I brought up when I learned from security men assigned to my house that some of them lived in squatter huts,” he told the five-member royal commission in a packed High Court room here.

Anwar who is now the opposition leader in Parliament, also revealed that even during the Ops Lallang, where many opposition leaders were arrested, he was not consulted and was kept in the dark until the very end.

“When I asked the prime minister, Mahathir, what was going on, his standard reply was ‘this is security issue, I will deal with the police’,” he said.

Earlier he testified that he did not believe Mahathir would not know of the existence of Project IC, or giving out Malaysian documents to illegal immigrants, in Sabah.

He said it was impossible for Mahathir to claim ignorance about the dubious issuance of Malaysian identity documents to illegal immigrants in Sabah, unless he was irresponsible and incompetent.

Saying he himself was not involved in any security task force, Anwar asserted that Mahathir, as the prime minister at the height of Project IC, had a full knowledge of what was going on in home security as he was also Home Minister at the time.

Dr M was aware

Anwar who wore dark glasses throughout his two-hour session with the RCI, told the hearing that he believed there was corruption and unaccountability on many levels but not necessarily in all civil service, and this provided for a rotting system in Malaysia including in security matters.

When asked by RCI chairman, Steve Shim Lip Kiong, whether he agreed that Malaysia had a weak system on awarding citizenship, Anwar said he partially agreed.

He added that there are laws for citizenship and it had been awarded every now and then but that its issuance to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants would not have been possible without the knowledge of the Home Minister.

“If the issuance of citizenship is for a few hundred people yes, but there is no way we can issue citizenship to the hundreds of thousands without the knowledge of the Home Minister, or approval from the very top leadership,” he said.

Asked by RCI member Herman Luping on what could be done to the foreigners who now have Malaysian documents, Anwar replied Malaysia has to deal with it from a constitutional and humanitarian basis.

“But it will be a major and horrendous exercise,” he pointed out.

Anwar also painted a picture that Sabahan ministers in the Federal Cabinet had not been vocal or convincing enough on the illegal immigrants issues in Sabah, so as to compel the Cabinet to discuss it.

“I think most of the time people were satisfied with the answer given by the Home Ministry,” he said admitting that the problem in Sabah is a national issue and not just a Sabah matter.

Not under current state government

On the proposal by certain parties that a Homeland Security be established to resolve the illegal immigrants issue in Sabah, the former deputy premier said it matters little if corrupt leaders are to lead in it.

“You set up a new unit, but soon it will be infested by corrupt officers,” he said adding that those who proposed the setting up of a Homeland Security, if it is modeled after the United States which introduced it after the Sept 11 terrorist attacks, they better be aware of the downsides of it.

On the proposal by certain parties for the Sabah state government to issue its own identity cards in order to differentiate between genuine Sabahans and foreigners with Malaysian documents, Anwar said he would not agree with the idea under the current (Umno-led) Sabah state government.

“We must allow officers from the (Sabah) state to monitor but I would not support the state to issue its own IC, especially this particular state government,” he said.

He also said the police and army were beefed up in Sabah but that was still not adequate.

Mahathir who testified at the RCI last week denied any knowledge of Project IC, or citizenship-for-votes scam, which was done in the 1990s in order to legalise many foreigners as Malaysians in return for their votes for BN.

A day after his testimony, Mahathir alluded that Anwar would be the right person to answer questions on this issue, suggesting that the latter had played an active role in the project.

Previously Sabah politician Jeffrey Kitingan too had urged Anwar to tell the truth when he testifies at the RCI.

By Luke Rintod

190. How accurate is this article?

Full RCI report ready by December

by Murib Morpi. Posted on September 21, 2013, Saturday    (Borneo Post)

KOTA KINABALU: The Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) probing the problems of illegal immigrants in Sabah concluded its public proceeding session yesterday after hearing testimonies from 211 witnesses.
Commission chairman, former Borneo chief judge Tan Sri Steve Shim, who led a five-member panel to preside over the hearing since Jan 29, said a full report of the investigation should be completed by December.
“It has been a smooth process with everyone conducting themselves in a very civilized manner, no quarrel and throwing of chairs. From now on the hard work begins; we’ll have to go through mountains of exhibits and we’ll try our very best to get the report by the end of this year,” he said.
The Commission concluded its hearing after listening to chief investigating officer Supt Mohd Azman Ahmad Sapri’s account of the investigation process carried out and the information gathered by his 13-man team for the the Inquiry since Oct last year.
Mohd Azman also explained the methods used in the investigation and gave a brief summary of the spectrum of witnesses, places and matters that were studied.
Several detailed investigation reports were also submitted by Azman to the Commission, on the visits of investigating officers to places of interest such as refugee settlements, squatter colonies and entry points along the state borders.
The reports, he informed, also contained recommendations on how to address identified weaknesses, including the management of gazetted entry points vulnerable to immigrants sneaking into the country, illegally.
“We have investigated seven police reports and 13 public complaints received throughout the inquiry, mostly alleging certain individuals of unlawfully acquiring citizenship and Malaysian identification cards.
“We have also investigated claims in 13 articles published online that were relevant to our terms of reference, especially from Sabah.com,” he said.
Azman reported that his team had in total interviewed 361 witnesses, out of which 123 were government department officers and personnel, 12 former Internal Security Act (ISA) detainees, and four book writers.
They also recorded statements from 210 public witnesses, out of which 96 were Malaysian citizens, 69 Filipinos, 10 Pakistanis, and 24 Indonesians.
Among the government agencies covered in the investigations included the National Registration Department (NRD), Immigration Department, Institute of Development Sabah (IDS), Special Federal Task Force, Statistics Department, Election Commission and the police, he added.
Apart from related government bodies, Azman said investigating officers (IO) also visited and gathered evidence at 32 refugee resettlement schemes and 117 squatter villages across Sabah and Labuan.
“Intelligence was also gathered through surveillance activities at known landing points of immigrants along the coastlines of Sabah. A paper on this, containing problems that were identified and recommendations have also been prepared.
“The IOs also visited several areas in the interior and have prepared a report on why the rural folks in these areas were facing difficulties in getting identification cards,” he said.
Azman also agreed with Commissioner Tan Sri Herman Luping that a comprehensive report on investigations carried out for the Inquiry should be prepared to be shared with relevant bodies, including the newly set up Eastern Sabah Security Command (ESSCOM), for managing the Eastern Sabah Security Zone (ESSZONE).

Read more: http://www.theborneopost.com/2013/09/21/full-rci-report-ready-by-december/#ixzz2fTeyrQUs

189. When did SLA come in?

Quote: "while a team from the Sabah Law Association, led by Datuk John Sikayun, held a watching brief." (when did SLA come in?  How prepared for SLA?- Joshua)

 

Sabah RCI Proceedings End, Commissioners Starts Deliberating

KOTA KINABALU, Sept 20  - Proceedings of the Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) to investigate the problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah here concluded today to make way for RCI commissioners to deliberate on the evidence.
The five-man panel chaired by former chief judge of Sabah and Sarawak Tan Sri Steve Shim Lip Kiong presided over a series of proceedings that began on Jan 14 with 211 witnesses produced.
“It has been a smooth process. There had been no tantrums, no throwing of chairs. All arguments were done in civilized order,” quipped Shim.
But in all seriousness, he said he and his fellow commissioners were now beginning the task of reviewing and brainstorming on the evidence that had been produced before them until Dec 21.
“We have voluminous reports, documents and evidence to go through. But we will try to finish it off and come up with a solution to the problem within the time frame given to us,” he said.
The other commissioners are former Universiti Malaysia Sabah (UMS) vice chancellor Professor Datuk Dr Kamaruzzaman Ampon, former Kuala Lumpur police chief Datuk Henry Chin Poy Wu, former Sabah deputy chief minister Tan Sri Herman J. Luping, who was also the state attorney-general, and former Sabah state secretary Datuk KY Mustapha.
The conducting officers throughout the proceedings were Manoj Kurup, Datuk Azmi Ariffin and Jamil Aripin, while a team from the Sabah Law Association, led by Datuk John Sikayun, held a watching brief.
The establishment of the RCI and the appointment of Shim and panel members were announced by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak on Aug 11 last year in a sincere move to solve the illegal immigrant problem in Sabah.
In announcing the terms of reference for the commission, Najib had said that they would among others investigate the number of immigrants in Sabah who were issued identity cards (ICs) or citizenship.
The inquiry had focused on whether the issuance of the blue ICs or citizenship to the immigrants was made based on the law as well as whether those who illegally obtained the blue ICs or temporary identification receipt (blue) or citizenship were registered in the Electoral Roll.
Relevant authorities were also sought after during the proceedings to determine whether they had taken any action or made efforts to improve standard operating procedures, methods and regulations to avoid non-conformity with the law with regard to the problem.
The inquiry also saw a number of high profile politicians giving their testimonies namely, former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad and opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim as well as vocal state leaders on the issue such as Sabah Deputy Chief Minister Tan Sri Joseph Pairin Kitingan.

188. Anti Climax to RCI

http://www.theborneopost.com/2013/09/20/anwar-ibrahim-denies-involvement-in-project-ic/

Anwar Ibrahim denies involvement in ‘Project IC’

Posted on September 20, 2013, Friday

KOTA KINABALU: Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim has denied involvement in the so-called ‘Project IC’ in Sabah during his time as member of the federal cabinet, including when he was deputy prime minister until his sacking in 1998.
In fact, he told the Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) on Illegal Immigrants in Sabah, he did not even know that it was dubbed ‘Project IC’, but had heard there was a special task force which dealt with the admission of foreigners and gave them identity cards (ICs) in the state.
“Given my career as a cabinet member and even as the deputy prime minister, I was never invited to attend the National Security Council meetings or any briefings on the special task force, nor had there ever been a report presented to the cabinet.
“Even during my time as acting prime minister I was never briefed or attended meetings or signed any file concerning the matter,” he said.
Anwar, who is Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) defacto leader, described the special task force as a ‘secretive operation’, and believed the operation was ongoing and that the task force had never disbanded.
Asked by RCI chairman Tan Sri Steve Shim Lip Kiong if he agreed that Malaysia’s system on the issuance of citizenship was weak, Anwar disagreed.
Asked by conducting officer Manoj Kurup on his suggestions to rectify the problem, including his thoughts on suggestions to recall and re-issue ICs or risk deportation, he said it was a good idea.
Anwar, who was the 210th witness, said the government had every right to withdraw ICs given to foreigners.
“We don’t necessarily have to confer them citizenship, but perhaps, place them in different categories (to differentiate them from genuine Malaysians) in order for them to remain in the country,” he added.

The inquiry continues today. — Bernama

187. What a shit in 1994 ?

What was anwar doing in the 4 star Hotel in KK just as GE1994 was about to happen?

What were the 150 PCs doing in the hotel out of reach to others? Churning before his eyes, what documents and then used by voters transported by mini buses up and down the West Coast and then the power grab by ILLEGAL AND CRIMINALS of UMNO??

all mired in Project IC mud.....!!!!!



http://www.theborneopost.com/2013/09/20/taskforce-issued-ics-to-immigrants-anwar/

Taskforce issued ICs to immigrants – Anwar

by Nancy Lai. Posted on September 20, 2013, Friday

KOTA KINABALU: Former Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim yesterday claimed that there was a special taskforce dealing with the issuance of Malaysian identity cards and citizenship to immigrants in Sabah.
Anwar, who was the 210th witness to testify in the Royal Commission of Inquiry on the presence of illegal immigrants in Sabah, also claimed that the special taskforce which he described as secretive, haphazard and fraudulent is still operating up to now.
He, however, denied any involvement in the task force as he was never invited to attend any National Security Council meetings that were chaired by the then Prime Minister Tun Mahathir Mohamad to discuss about the special taskforce.
To a question by conducting officer Manoj Kurup if he had heard of ‘Projek IC’ during his tenure as deputy prime minister, the Opposition leader replied, “I have not heard of the Projek IC but I am aware of a special task force dealing with the registration or giving citizenship to foreigners in Sabah,
He claimed that the secretive task force was set up in the early 1970s when Tun Abdul Razak Hussein was prime minister and Tun Datu Mustapha Harun was Sabah chief minister, and it was in response to the influx of Filipino nationals into the state fleeing the southern Philippines insurgency.
When asked how he, as the deputy prime minister then, had not been aware of the issue pertaining to the issuance of Malaysian identity cards to ineligible immigrants, Anwar told the Commission, “It is not right to suggest that anyone was unaware. During my visits to Sabah, I found out that there were some concerned people.”
Anwar repeated that he was never invited to any of the National Security Council meetings to discuss the taskforce and added, “there were no cabinet papers (on the task force). I was the deputy prime minister (but) I was never invited. Had I attended I am sure it would have been minuted.”
“Even when I was acting prime minister for two months, I never saw any reports presented to the cabinet and I never signed any files pertaining to the special task force,” he said and stressed that the secretive group he was referring to was not the Federal Special Task Force that was set up in the 1980s.
He said he believed the secretive task force had never been disbanded and added, “It began under Tun Razak, and continued under Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, Tun Abdullah Badawi and Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak. But it has to stop somewhere.
“It did not end with Tun Mahathir and I think he should not be singled out, his successors should be questioned as to why this is still going on,” Anwar opined.
“I would disagree to any suggestion that the then prime minister was unaware of this operation. If it involved 5,000 documents, then perhaps yes. But we are talking about hundreds of thousands here,” he added.
To another question on why the federal government had failed to take action to resolve the issue after the numerous complaints from Sabah leaders, Anwar said it was because there was no credible evidence presented at that material time.
It is not like now where political parties in Sabah like UPKO, PBS and SAPP have compiled information such as the names and IC numbers that were said to be obtained fraudulently, he stressed.
Questioned by commission chairman Tan Sri Steve Shim that the RCI had heard of evidence that Sabah’s population had grown unusually during the 1990-1995 period coinciding with Umno’s expansion into the state, Anwar said any political party would do whatever possible within the law to increase its influence.
Anwar, who was Umno vice-president at that time and eventually became its deputy president, said there was never any discussion about a project to issue identity cards to foreigners in Sabah at the Umno Supreme Council meetings.
When asked for his suggestion on how the problem could be solved, Anwar said that any solutions must take into consideration the humanitarian aspect of the situation.
“We have to establish who these people (who obtained Malaysian citizenship through fraudulent means) are… were they really refugees at that time? After that matter is established, we can place them under specific categories,” he said.
To Manoj’s next question on what he thought should be done with the immigrants who had obtained Malaysian identity cards through fraudulent means and have been residing in Sabah for more than three decades, Anwar said that revoking their citizenship would render them stateless and this would be a constitutional problem.
While he agreed that the Government has a right to revoke any dubiously issued identity cards, he stressed that it would not augur well for the country.
Anwar also said that he agreed with the suggestion from Sabahan leaders like Tan Sri Bernard Dompok for all Malaysian identity cards issued in Sabah to be recalled and reissued upon proof of citizenship and that those proven to be illegal immigrants should be deported.
“I agree with the suggestion except for the deportation part because if we revoke their Malaysian citizenship, they will be stateless so where do we deport them to? We should categorize them and issue them with Green or Red identity cards,” he said.
Commissioner Datuk Henry Chin during the hearing also expressed his feeling of surprise that despite being the deputy prime minister at that time, Anwar had been kept in the dark about issues affecting national security.
He asked Anwar why at that time the federal government did not act despite the illegal immigrant issue having been raised by Members of Parliament from Sabah who had provided the House with facts and figures.
“Although it was not discussed in Cabinet, wouldn’t it be a common acceptable practice that if an issue was brought up in Parliament, the Cabinet would discuss it? Would you as the deputy prime minister then, have done something to prevent the spread of the problem in Sabah in the 1990s?’ asked Chin.
Anwar replied, “On security issues, the standard reply from the prime minister was ‘I will deal with that’. As the issue being raised in Parliament, the standard replies from the Home Affairs Ministry would be ‘Yes we are dealing with it’, ‘No, the allegations as to the huge number of illegal immigrants in Sabah were not true.
“As I said there was no credible evidence then… I have never seen documents of this nature at that time where information such as names and IC numbers were compiled together,” he said.
When Shim asked why the issue was never raised in the Cabinet, Anwar said, “Probably the Sabah ministers in the Cabinet then were satisfied with the explanation of the Home Ministry.
Questioned by Sabah Law Association’s representative Datuk John Sikayun as to why, he (Anwar) who was considered to be an ‘elite’ Umno leader then was not in the loop of the so-called operation to issue Malaysian citizenship to immigrants and was that meant that he was not trusted by the party’s top leader, Anwar replied, “I don’t believe that I was not trusted.
“At that time I had a good relationship with Tun Mahathir. Only towards the end of my term in office did a Special Branch Officer submit reports to me which is not according to convention. He did it because he felt Tun Mahathir was disinterested to listen to some of the issues,” he stressed.
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186. What now for Anwar?

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/anwar-will-reply-to-rci-queries-raised-by-dr-mahathir

Anwar will reply to RCI queries raised by Dr Mahathir

BY ZULKIFLI SULONG, FEATURES AND ANALYSIS EDITOR
September 13, 2013
Latest Update: September 13, 2013 03:33 pm

Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim (pic) will reply to questions raised about his role in the controversial Project IC by Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad when he appears before the Royal Commission of Inquiry next week.
“Datuk Seri will give his statement to the RCI next week,” said his office in an SMS to the media today.
Anwar, who was sacked by Dr Mahathir in September 1998 following allegations of abuse of power and sexual misconduct, is scheduled to appear before the RCI on September 19.

A day after appearing before the Royal Commission of Inquiry in Sabah, Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad continued to deny that he had any role in the controversial Project IC, under which identity cards were issued to foreigners, allegedly in exchange for votes.
Yesterday, the former prime minister challenged his detractors to question his former deputy and now opposition leader, Anwar, to find out the truth.
“If that is government policy, why didn’t he stop it? Is he going to lie to the commission and claim that I ask him to do all these? He should know, he was my deputy,” he said.
When asked whether he was referring to Anwar, Dr Mahathir replied in jest: “Maybe.”
The RCI, which began in January, is investigating claims that citizenship was given to illegal immigrants in Sabah during Dr Mahathir’s administration.
Dr Mahathir told the RCI on Wednesday that he was not aware of “Project IC” and blamed overzealous civil servants for what happened.
He also agreed that the issue of illegal immigrants in Sabah was a very serious problem.
"Yes, it's true. It is a serious problem, which has existed for decades. But resolving the issue does depend on who is the person-in-charge at that moment," said Dr Mahathir.
He told RCI chairman Tan Sri Steve Shim Lip Kiong that during his tenure as prime minister between 1981 and 2003, he had instructed his officers to consider identity card applications and to act according to the law. – September 13, 2013.

185. Indeed Anwar knows

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Jeffrey: Anwar was in charge

Previously Sabah’s veteran politician Jeffrey Kitingan had told FMT that he hoped Anwar would “tell the truth” when he testifies in the RCI.
“However, I do hope he would tell the truth about his own role in the citizenship fiasco,” Jeffrey had said.
“From what I know, he was indeed in charge of Sabah [for Umno]. He was the director of operations and was involved actively in the citizenship project,” he added.
“I am very sure he was in the know of what was happening in Sabah at that time.”
“I am sure Anwar, being the second most powerful Umno leader at that period, would not have been ignorant of what the then prime minister and Umno were doing to win at all costs in Sabah,” he had said.
“As I said, he knows more about the citizenship project than many others and if he is indeed called up to testify at the RCI, I sincerely hope he would tell the truth,” he said.

184. find a scapegoat again?

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/dr-m-why-didnt-my-deputy-stop-projek-ic

malaysia

Dr M: Why didn’t my deputy stop Projek IC then?

By Boo Su-Lyn
September 12, 2013
UPDATED: Sep 12, 2013 09:44 pm

When asked if he was talking about Anwar, Dr Mahathir only said 'Maybe'. — AFP picKUALA LUMPUR, Sept 12 — Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad asked today why his former “deputy” had not stopped “Projek IC” if it had been a government policy during his reign, appearing again to shrug off blame for the controversial citizenship-for votes initiative in Sabah.
Without directly naming Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, the former prime minister said that the current “Pakatan leader” should have known about the purported Sabah initiative as he would have been familiar with government policy then.
“If that is government policy, why didn’t he stop it?” Dr Mahathir told reporters after the Japanese Chamber of Trade and Industry Malaysia (JACTIM) 30^th anniversary celebration here today.
“Is he going to lie to the commission that I told him to do all these things? He should know; he was my deputy,” he added, referring to the Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) on illegal immigrants in Sabah.
When asked if he was talking about Anwar, Dr Mahathir only said “Maybe”.
Dr Mahathir also said that the "Pakatan leader" should know "very well what I said and what I did".
Dr Mahathir testified at the RCI yesterday that he had never heard “until recently” of “Projek IC”, an initiative that purportedly awarded citizenship to illegal immigrants in Sabah in exchange for their votes in elections.
The country’s longest-serving prime minister also blamed “government officers” for the illegal awarding of identity cards (ICs) to foreigners, appearing to absolve himself from all blame over the controversial project that reportedly occurred from the 1980s onwards.
Pakatan Rakyat (PR) leaders said in response that Dr Mahathir’s testimony was likely packed with lies, noting that several witnesses at the RCI had testified to the existence of “Projek IC” or “Projek M”.
DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang said it was “inconceivable” for Dr Mahathir to claim ignorance of “Projek IC” and to blame low-ranking civil servants instead.
“Projek IC” is said to be responsible for the abnormal spike in Sabah’s population, where foreigners comprise nearly 30 per cent of the state’s 3.12 million-strong populace.
Dr Mahathir, who ruled as prime minister from 1981 to 2003, has been repeatedly named as the man who spurred the initiative.

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The country’s longest-serving prime minister also blamed “government officers” for the illegal awarding of identity cards (ICs) to foreigners, appearing to absolve himself from all blame over the controversial project that reportedly occurred from the 1980s onwards.
Pakatan Rakyat (PR) leaders said in response that Dr Mahathir’s testimony was likely packed with lies, noting that several witnesses at the RCI had testified to the existence of “Projek IC” or “Projek M”.
DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang said it was “inconceivable” for Dr Mahathir to claim ignorance of “Projek IC” and to blame low-ranking civil servants instead.
“Projek IC” is said to be responsible for the abnormal spike in Sabah’s population, where foreigners comprise nearly 30 per cent of the state’s 3.12 million-strong populace.
Dr Mahathir, who ruled as prime minister from 1981 to 2003, has been repeatedly named as the man who spurred the initiative.
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KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 12 — Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad asked today why his former “deputy” had not stopped “Projek IC” if it had been a government policy during his reign, appearing again to shrug off blame for the controversial citizenship-for votes initiative in Sabah.
Without directly naming Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, the former prime minister said that the current “Pakatan leader” should have known about the purported Sabah initiative as he would have been familiar with government policy then.
“If that is government policy, why didn’t he stop it?” Dr Mahathir told reporters after the Japanese Chamber of Trade and Industry Malaysia (JACTIM) 30^th anniversary celebration here today.
“Is he going to lie to the commission that I told him to do all these things? He should know; he was my deputy,” he added, referring to the Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) on illegal immigrants in Sabah.
When asked if he was talking about Anwar, Dr Mahathir only said “Maybe”.

Dr Mahathir also said that the "Pakatan leader" should know "very well what I said and what I did".
Dr Mahathir testified at the RCI yesterday that he had never heard “until recently” of “Projek IC”, an initiative that purportedly awarded citizenship to illegal immigrants in Sabah in exchange for their votes in elections.
The country’s longest-serving prime minister also blamed “government officers” for the illegal awarding of identity cards (ICs) to foreigners, appearing to absolve himself from all blame over the controversial project that reportedly occurred from the 1980s onwards.
Pakatan Rakyat (PR) leaders said in response that Dr Mahathir’s testimony was likely packed with lies, noting that several witnesses at the RCI had testified to the existence of “Projek IC” or “Projek M”.
DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang said it was “inconceivable” for Dr Mahathir to claim ignorance of “Projek IC” and to blame low-ranking civil servants instead.
“Projek IC” is said to be responsible for the abnormal spike in Sabah’s population, where foreigners comprise nearly 30 per cent of the state’s 3.12 million-strong populace.
Dr Mahathir, who ruled as prime minister from 1981 to 2003, has been repeatedly named as the man who spurred the initiative.
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/dr-m-why-didnt-my-deputy-stop-projek-ic#sthash.PJRrGjOf.dpuf

The country’s longest-serving prime minister also blamed “government officers” for the illegal awarding of identity cards (ICs) to foreigners, appearing to absolve himself from all blame over the controversial project that reportedly occurred from the 1980s onwards.
Pakatan Rakyat (PR) leaders said in response that Dr Mahathir’s testimony was likely packed with lies, noting that several witnesses at the RCI had testified to the existence of “Projek IC” or “Projek M”.
DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang said it was “inconceivable” for Dr Mahathir to claim ignorance of “Projek IC” and to blame low-ranking civil servants instead.
“Projek IC” is said to be responsible for the abnormal spike in Sabah’s population, where foreigners comprise nearly 30 per cent of the state’s 3.12 million-strong populace.
Dr Mahathir, who ruled as prime minister from 1981 to 2003, has been repeatedly named as the man who spurred the initiative.
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/dr-m-why-didnt-my-deputy-stop-projek-ic#sthash.PJRrGjOf.dpuf

KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 12 — Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad asked today why his former “deputy” had not stopped “Projek IC” if it had been a government policy during his reign, appearing again to shrug off blame for the controversial citizenship-for votes initiative in Sabah.
Without directly naming Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, the former prime minister said that the current “Pakatan leader” should have known about the purported Sabah initiative as he would have been familiar with government policy then.
“If that is government policy, why didn’t he stop it?” Dr Mahathir told reporters after the Japanese Chamber of Trade and Industry Malaysia (JACTIM) 30^th anniversary celebration here today.
“Is he going to lie to the commission that I told him to do all these things? He should know; he was my deputy,” he added, referring to the Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) on illegal immigrants in Sabah.
When asked if he was talking about Anwar, Dr Mahathir only said “Maybe”.

Dr Mahathir also said that the "Pakatan leader" should know "very well what I said and what I did".
Dr Mahathir testified at the RCI yesterday that he had never heard “until recently” of “Projek IC”, an initiative that purportedly awarded citizenship to illegal immigrants in Sabah in exchange for their votes in elections.
The country’s longest-serving prime minister also blamed “government officers” for the illegal awarding of identity cards (ICs) to foreigners, appearing to absolve himself from all blame over the controversial project that reportedly occurred from the 1980s onwards.
Pakatan Rakyat (PR) leaders said in response that Dr Mahathir’s testimony was likely packed with lies, noting that several witnesses at the RCI had testified to the existence of “Projek IC” or “Projek M”.
DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang said it was “inconceivable” for Dr Mahathir to claim ignorance of “Projek IC” and to blame low-ranking civil servants instead.
“Projek IC” is said to be responsible for the abnormal spike in Sabah’s population, where foreigners comprise nearly 30 per cent of the state’s 3.12 million-strong populace.
Dr Mahathir, who ruled as prime minister from 1981 to 2003, has been repeatedly named as the man who spurred the initiative.
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Dr M: Why didn’t my deputy stop Projek IC then?

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Dr M: Why didn’t my deputy stop Projek IC then?

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Dr M: Why didn’t my deputy stop Projek IC then?

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183. A disgraced Pairin

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Mahathir never trusted Pairin

FMT Staff | September 11, 2013

If there is a person or individual who isn't trusted, perhaps by the government, then he doesn't have a say on any matters pertaining to security, says Dr Mahathir.

KOTA KINABALU: Former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad insinuated in his testimony at the Royal Commisson of Inquiry (RCI) into the issuance of identity cards to illegal immigrants in Sabah in the 1990s that then chief minister Joseph Pairin Kitingan could not be trusted.
Responding to a question by Sabah Law Association representative Ansari Abdullah on why Pairin, who was democratically elected, was removed as the chairman of the state security council, Mahathir said: “The security of the country and the state is a federal matter.”
“If there is a person or individual who isn’t trusted, perhaps by the government, then he doesn’t have a say on any matters pertaining to security.”
At this juncture RCI chairman Steven Shim, who is also the former Chief Justice of Sabah and Sarawak, interjected. Shim informed Mahatir that by convention, Pairin should have been made chairman of the state security council.
Shim then asked Mahathir the reason for Pairin’s removal.
“I don’t know the exact reason but there were many reasons,” Mahathir said.
Shim further asked Mahathir if he was aware that Pairin had also visited Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi when he was the PM and presented him with a memo on the illegal immigrants issue.
“No, I didn’t follow up on this issue after I stepped down from office. I am not aware of the meeting between Abdullah and the Sabah ministers, “ he said.
Pairin, who was the 199th witness, had it his testimony last month reportedly made several startling revelations.
Among them were the fact:
i) he was reprimanded by the then Berjaya government, of which he was then a member, for raising the issue of illegal immigrants as far back as 1978;
ii) he was removed as chairman of the State Security Council in 1990;
iii) he raised in Parliament the issue of illegal immigrants holding two identity cards each with two different addresses and voting in two different constituencies;
iv) he had sent a memorandum to the (then) prime minister Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi in 2007 outlining the problems caused by illegal immigrants and solutions to overcome them, but it was not acted upon;
v) he suggested that immigrants who needed to work in the plantation and construction sectors be given work permits and all other illegals sent back to their country of origin;
vi) he met Indonesian president Suharto to impress on him that the workers from that country must go through the proper channels to work in Sabah instead of entering through the back door;
vii) that there is nothing the state and he could have done as chief minister as the enforcement of the law and the related agencies like the police and army came under the jurisdiction of the federal government;
viii) that if not solved, the illegal immigrant problem would threaten the security and sovereignity of the nation; and
ix) that there was no political will (in the past) and determination to find a permanent solution to the problem.
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